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How'd you learn to ride motorcycles? - The Old school dies hard.
30 years and a fast ride to the Rock store ago, you'd start chatting it up with your buddies and get on to the topic of riding, knowledge, skills etc. and the subject of counter steering and braking would come up and almost everyone looked at you like you where from another planet.
Today is a bit different and we have guys like local South Cal boy Kieth Code to thank for it.
Today is a bit different and we have guys like local South Cal boy Kieth Code to thank for it.
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Permalink Reply by Chris Wright on
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I started out waching Youtube videos on motorcycle controls, counter steering etc.
There are also some great online articles out there I was able to find.
Practiced a lot of what they taught and then took the MSF class for good measure.
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Permalink Reply by richard acunto on -
Wow - that's a way to go...have you thought about attending Kieth Codes class to pick up more data on a practical level - as in your given the data and then you go out on the track and apply it - then another piece of data and apply that on the track?
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Permalink Reply by richard acunto on
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When I have discussions with riders today they seem very aware of steering and braking concepts intellectually although I wonder if they really DO have the concepts in practice. Watching them ride and a few more questions tells the story however. When and how do you use your back brake? When you are going through a curve does the bike feel like it wants to go or pulls wide? Do you lean off the bike when and why? Or undercut with have you attended Keith Codes course or any other race training school?
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Permalink Reply by Josh Stichter on -
I got hooked after I hopped on my buddies gsxr600 and blasted around the neighborhood. I had no idea what I was doing and in hindsight lucky I didn't kill myself. I learned how to ride by asking lots of questions, reading lots of magazines, watching a lot of racing on tv, and talking to P Davey. No really, he'd have me walking around the office training my vision. Ha! Actually getting on the road and riding has taught me the most, though, about what works and what does not. I'm saving my pennies for a weekend at CSS and hopefully will get my first track day under my belt in the next year.
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Permalink Reply by richard acunto on
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Actually Paulee was my mentor in the newer methods of the time as well. Sounds great on Kieth's school. We got to ride soon - are you coming with us on Sunday?
Josh Stichter said:I got hooked after I hopped on my buddies gsxr600 and blasted around the neighborhood. I had no idea what I was doing and in hindsight lucky I didn't kill myself. I learned how to ride by asking lots of questions, reading lots of magazines, watching a lot of racing on tv, and talking to P Davey. No really, he'd have me walking around the office training my vision. Ha! Actually getting on the road and riding has taught me the most, though, about what works and what does not. I'm saving my pennies for a weekend at CSS and hopefully will get my first track day under my belt in the next year.
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Permalink Reply by Josh Stichter on
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Unfortunately Not. I'll be up in Santa Rosa visiting family, and the weekend after I'll be in Vegas (so I can't do Willow Springs). Looking forward to meeting up as well. Have a good ride, and as Paul says, 'KEEP IT RUBBER SIDE DOWN!'
richard acunto said:Actually Paulee was my mentor in the newer methods of the time as well. Sounds great on Kieth's school. We got to ride soon - are you coming with us on Sunday?
Josh Stichter said:I got hooked after I hopped on my buddies gsxr600 and blasted around the neighborhood. I had no idea what I was doing and in hindsight lucky I didn't kill myself. I learned how to ride by asking lots of questions, reading lots of magazines, watching a lot of racing on tv, and talking to P Davey. No really, he'd have me walking around the office training my vision. Ha! Actually getting on the road and riding has taught me the most, though, about what works and what does not. I'm saving my pennies for a weekend at CSS and hopefully will get my first track day under my belt in the next year.
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Permalink Reply by Bob Georgius on -
Necessity taught me - I needed transportation and, at the time (1976) a bike was more affordable than a car. Riding, however, was a constant struggle for survival. Scary for sure.
After riding and struggling for about a year I came across an article in Cycle World by Dr. Harry Hurt on why motorcycle accidents happen. In it he alluded to counter-steering saying something like "...so the rider turns the handle bar left and ends up steering directly into the obstacle on his right that he was trying to avoid..." I was shocked, amazed even - I was certain that I had read it wrong and, after having re-read it a half dozen times I was convinced that magazine had miss-printed it. But not so convinced that I didn't try it.
The next morning on the ride to work I tried counter-steering for the very first time. Wow! Riding was suddenly fun!
I too got some tips from Paul Davey; and did the California Superbike School (More fun per dollar than anything I have ever done) etc. But my "aha" moment was/is that very first time I tried counter-steering.
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Permalink Reply by Doug Welty on -
"In it he alluded to counter-steering saying something like "...so the rider turns the handle bar left and ends up steering directly into the obstacle on his right that he was trying to avoid..."
Most of the people I ride with are very experienced but the counter steer vs. body steer debate still comes up which makes me shake my head. You may not “know” what counter steering is, but no one rides a bike at speed without using it. Body steering is a good tool for making small adjustments while you ride, but it doesn’t replace counter steering.
Doug
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Permalink Reply by richard acunto on
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I so agree. And the body steer definitely still comes up.
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Permalink Reply by richard acunto on
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Good story Bob we remember those days well. Back then it was definitely counter steer what? But is nice to see today that more of that tech is understood and some of it even taught in the Mtorcycle saftey courses approved by the state DMV. I know that herbie is floating around out there somewhat - have you kept in touch with him?
Bob Georgius said:Necessity taught me - I needed transportation and, at the time (1976) a bike was more affordable than a car. Riding, however, was a constant struggle for survival. Scary for sure.
After riding and struggling for about a year I came across an article in Cycle World by Dr. Harry Hurt on why motorcycle accidents happen. In it he alluded to counter-steering saying something like "...so the rider turns the handle bar left and ends up steering directly into the obstacle on his right that he was trying to avoid..." I was shocked, amazed even - I was certain that I had read it wrong and, after having re-read it a half dozen times I was convinced that magazine had miss-printed it. But not so convinced that I didn't try it.
The next morning on the ride to work I tried counter-steering for the very first time. Wow! Riding was suddenly fun!
I too got some tips from Paul Davey; and did the California Superbike School (More fun per dollar than anything I have ever done) etc. But my "aha" moment was/is that very first time I tried counter-steering.
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I'd love to attend Kieth Codes school, I'm working on the money for it right now as well as a couple other track/riding schools.
richard acunto said:Wow - that's a way to go...have you thought about attending Kieth Codes class to pick up more data on a practical level - as in your given the data and then you go out on the track and apply it - then another piece of data and apply that on the track?
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Permalink Reply by Bob Georgius on
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Hi Richie,
Herbie is living in Clearwater, FL now. If you email me directly I'll forward you his contact info.
BobbyGee!
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